tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1667005464723133101.post2201481231347543985..comments2023-10-30T14:46:42.973+10:00Comments on Jottings: The Book of Odes - a forgotten biblical textMichaelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15356422488538820280noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1667005464723133101.post-13216146660172326122009-03-11T16:34:00.000+10:002009-03-11T16:34:00.000+10:00I'm wondering, do the Odes have any nuances in ter...I'm wondering, do the Odes have any nuances in terminology? Or do they quote from the corresponding hymns perfectly?<BR/><BR/>AJallanpopahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15675096550133012872noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1667005464723133101.post-74034962918855063182009-03-08T20:27:00.000+10:002009-03-08T20:27:00.000+10:00Thanks for that, Michael. I've always been fascina...Thanks for that, Michael. I've always been fascinated by the cavalier treatment that OT quotes get in the NT. I just wondered whether the supposition that the Odes were a "liturgical convenience" indicated a shift to a more poetical style of writing, which has some bearing on the possibility of a musical setting.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1667005464723133101.post-88730379672954192132009-03-06T22:18:00.000+10:002009-03-06T22:18:00.000+10:00The only complete text I have is the Greek text in...The only complete text I have is the Greek text in Rahlfs Septuaginta. I hadn't thought to check if the versions in Odes correspond with the mirroring sections in the other biblical texts.<BR/><BR/>I'd like to pout them back in because it's a link to the early church and its understanding of these texts and of Psalms. Odes is almost like an appendix to Psalms. AS whether the compilers of the Anglican Daily Office knew of Odes I can't say. I suspect it's mole likely that Odes is a precursor to the Offices of the various Churches hence the resonance you detect. THat in itself would be another reason for restoring Odes to our bibles.<BR/><BR/>I can check for textual variations as you suggest but whether that might marry up to musical styles let alone changes in them I couldn't say. AFAIK there's no musical annotations in either of the Odes manuscripts and as you say what the music was is practically all conjectureMichaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15356422488538820280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1667005464723133101.post-91627778332741576682009-03-06T18:08:00.000+10:002009-03-06T18:08:00.000+10:00IANAT - I am not a theologian, just a church music...IANAT - I am not a theologian, just a church musician!<BR/>It's not obvious from your description, but I presume that the Odes use the same words as the corresponding Bible verses. If so, what purpose does it serve to print them as you suggest? <BR/>The collection was presumably made some time after the liturgy/s in which they featured had been standardised. In fact, the collection resonates very strongly with the Daily Office with which I am most familiar - that of the Anglican Church in Australia (maybe the compilers knew about the Book of Odes already !)<BR/>I'd be really interested to know whether there are textual variations that would indicate any changes to accommodate changes in the music that would have been applied. (AFAIK, the music itself is practically all conjecture.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1667005464723133101.post-91246346695162826502009-03-06T18:04:00.000+10:002009-03-06T18:04:00.000+10:00No shame, I only found out about it recently mysel...No shame, I only found out about it recently myself. Indeed some references I found to this text even confused it with the Odes of Solomon, which is a very different text that never made it into any bible as far as I can see. I'm planning to write on the Odfes of Solomon at some time because I think it's a great textMichaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15356422488538820280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1667005464723133101.post-89024551394302748162009-03-05T23:56:00.000+10:002009-03-05T23:56:00.000+10:00Shame on me. Never heard of this. Thanks for the p...Shame on me. Never heard of this. Thanks for the post.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com